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December 22, 2012

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Brandon

So you saw it tonight then? I figured it would finally come to Hilo around the time of the Oscars (I think that's when Pulp Fiction came to Hilo, months after it premiered nationwide) but, no, it was listed in the movie schedule in today's paper. Even if it leaves the Prince Kuhio Cinemas, it will likely be at the Kress for a while.

Hattie

Brandon: interesting.
Cop Car: I accidentally deleted your post. Could you repost it?

Musings

I really thought the film was put together beautifully, but I did look for Frederick Douglass and was surprised he wasn't in the film too. You really had to pay attention to this film because it had so much in it. Daniel Day Lewis and Sally Field did a great job.

Hattie

Kay: Yes, I want to see it again just to figure out who was who and what the ins and outs of the political manipulations were.

Cop Car

Hattie--I would gladly oblige had I any idea what I may have input. Surely not worth worrying about.

wisewebwoman

Am interested in seeing this. And hope that my cinemas (which cater to the demographic of 19 year old boys) will bring it to us.
have read the critiques but am curious.
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Poppa Zao

I don't know if people like the depiction (maybe some) but it was definitely a white man's world.

From Louis Proyect's harsh but informative review:

http://www.counterpunch.org/2012/11/30/paternalism-and-ass-covering-in-spielbergs-lincoln/

According to Guyora Binder, the author of “Did the Slaves Author the Thirteenth Amendment? An Essay in Redemptive History” (Yale Journal of Law & Humanities, Vol. 5, 1993), the Black soldier did a bit more than imploring:

[O]nce the war was won, the presence of a large number of blacks under arms continued to exert pressure on federal policy. Black soldiers were willing to remain mobilized longer than whites and hence played a greater role in maintaining the military occupation of the South after the Civil War. By constituting a substantial portion—in many areas the bulk—of the occupation army, blacks were suddenly in a position to influence the terms of the peace. This was a situation that Northern and Southern whites alike found acutely uncomfortable, impelling efforts to speed the demobilization of black troops: “In addition to charges of incompetence and insubordination, Union generals charged that black troops were hostile and insulting to Southern whites, threatening to white women, and encouraged militancy and insolence among civilian blacks.” Mary Frances Berry has argued that the quickest way literally to pacify these armed guardians of black liberty was to constitutionalize emancipation by passing the Thirteenth Amendment.

Toni

I agree that DD Lewis was great in this role--but he is in every role he plays. I also want to see the film again to better understand the many dealings in getting the amendment passed. I was startled by the moral dilemma that Lincoln grappled with--if he pursued the peace that was being offered and ended the war then the southern votes would have defeated the amendment.

I recently heard an interview with a feminist who remarked that the sign of progress in the movies will only be when two women actually have a conversation with each other that lasts for more than 60 seconds. I've been trying to find such a movie--only "The Help" comes to mind.

Kay Dennison

Thanks!!!!!!! I want to see it but it will have to wait. There's too much month at the end of my money. Sigh.

Hope your holidays are joyous!!!!!

Hattie

wisewebwoman: The way to get it to your theater is to point out to the management that the moviegoing public has matured and wants more serious fare. This seems to have worked here.
Brandon: That is a fair, if angry assessment. I don't agree with him about the screenplay, though, which was brilliant. When you are looking at a Spielberg movie it is important to understand how he feels about America, where he has become successful and rich. So to him, America is the salvation of the human race, a point of view of his that I do not share. And, as they always say, it's just a movie.
Toni: And a conversation that is not about men!
Kay: Hey! Nice to hear from you. Have a wonderful holiday!

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