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March 27, 2007

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Jennifer Cascadia

Why do Americans call things "retreats", the funnyheads? I hope they mean it.

Brandon

There's more information about the event at http://independent.com/online_onlys/2007/03/post_8.html under the heading "STP Doesn't Mean 'Stop the Party' (Political or Otherwise)."

Hattie

Jennifer: I believe the use of the word "retreat" in this sense of getting away from it all yet still working on being rich and powerful or improving oneself, (and maybe hooking up) started in California with the Bohemian Grove retreats
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1489
and new agey places like Esalen and the proliferating writer's workshops. I think utopian communities of like minded artists, or "deliberate communities," and, of course, communes, religious and otherwise, died out because no one had the time and money to commit to them any more. And there were some horrible flops, like the Rajnishi bunch and the Koresh compound. But I'm getting a little far afield.
Separating yourself out yet working very hard to enhance your place in society is an American notion, quite unlike just going somewhere to be in a nice place and have some fun,in the way the lesser breeds do.
We have all kinds of retreats. Writers' retreats are very popular. A friend of mine went to a retreat where she was not permitted to talk for days and given only small amounts of food to eat. Hell, I can do that at home for free if I want! Which I don't, of course.
Brandon: Thanks for the link. As my mother would say, "My aren't these people fancy." She was born in Santa Barbara and grew up there when it was still a real place instead of an upscale enclave full of what she referred to as "Taco Bell" architecture and the inevitable tacky people strolling through the shopping malls and cluttering up the tennis courts and golf courses. Hollywood people have always liked Santa Barbara, and it was a favorite of the Lindburgh family. Mother remembered seeing "Lindy" walking around town wearing a white suit and a haughty expression. He and his wife were big time narcissists of a kind more common now than at that time.
On these matters I'm a snob and proud of it, because I know of better things.
As far as I am concerned, Horowitz and his kind have not earned their spurs in my country and had better stop trying to take over. They act as if this country did not exist before their ancestors showed up. How wrong they are. Peasants.

Jennifer Cascadia

"Retreat" has such a religious sounding tone to me. I don't think we have them. We have something more like "conferences" or something.

Hattie

Jennifer: Well, we have conferences, too, of course. I go to them from time to time, and so does my husband.
But conferences are much more specific in their goals and usually attract members of one profession or organization.
Brandon: How do you find this stuff? I was laughing my head off at how furious these people would have made my mother!
Let's hope Hilo does not become overwhelmed by their ilk.

Jennifer Cascadia

We also have "workshops" and "festivals".

Jennifer Cascadia

Actually, if you read the sign incorrectly, it seems to be saying "Horowitz free dominatrix centre".

Brandon

I was searching online for Andy Granatelli, because I've never heard of him. As it turns out, he's the former CEO of STP.

Hattie

Brandon:
A lot of ex and former people there, it looks like. But that's what's happening. No one cares about that bunch any more. To keep going they're forced to take in each others' laundry, as my dear old mother used to put it.

We have such things as you mention, also, Jennifer. In fact, I plan to attend a "music festival" in July, albeit in Canada.
And I am every once a while obligated to attend teachers' "workshops."
"Conventions" also may have breakout groups called "workshops."
Just teasing.

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